Honest Questions for LDS Members!
Here are several questions to things I just do not understand:
1. Why does the Mormon church use what seems to be Satanic symbols on the Temples? The pentagram (satanic goat head) for instance is across the top of the Temple in Illinois 6 times? Then you have the Sun God Baal underneath it 6 times and then towards the bottom is the moon god 6 times. Many of these and others symbols are on the Temple in Salt Lake City. What is that all about?
2. Where did the planet Kolob come from in LDS? I have read and watched documentaries on this and what is that all about? God and other gods coming from a planet Kolob where a counsel once met to determine which one of God’s sons would be the redeemer and Jesus was chosen which made Lucifer mad and he talked a 1/3 of the angels to go with him or their skin turned black as a curse. I don’t know that this is the belief across the board, but I have seen it in a few video presentations and also read a couple of articles that described it similiarly. It tells us in John that Jesus was God’s one and only Son, so I am not sure where Lucifer comes in as being Jesus brother. I have always heard this, but could not reconcile it. I was just wondering what this is all about.
3. What was the stone for that Joseph Smith wore around his neck and Brigham Young wore one as well…so hhas been reported. I cannot remember what it was called….something like a Jupiter Stone or something like that. The stones have been said to have occultic symbols on them of course I have never seen one or heard of one to know.
4. I have heard two different accounts of this and I have read two different accounts. One says that 13 witnesses actually testified to seeing the Golden Plates with their owns eyes. Then the other account is that these 13 testified they only saw the Golden Plates spiritually..through spiritual eyes, but not physically…only Joseph Smith saw the actual Golden Plates with his own eyes. I was just curious as to which one seems to be the actual doctrine of LDS on this. I do not have an opinion on it…but when you hear or read two differing accounts one gets curious as to which it is.
5. I read yesterday about the Kinbrook Plates. These were bell shaped plates that were golden. A group of men reportedly unearthed these plates that were stamped with symbols on them and took them to Joseph Smith. It was told that Joseph begin to interpret these plates and symbols and when half way through found out that the plates were a hoax by these men and that the symbols meant nothing. Do you have further information on this? I only heard and read briefly on this, but wondered if anyone has actually seen any transcript as to what Joseph Smith was writing down as that the symbols meant? The folks doing the documentary may not have known the truth about this either. I was shocked to even hear about them as I had never heard about them until I was reading online about golden plates and then found a video that was talking about them as well. Curious to know what else is known about them.
Remember, I am simply curious to know answers to these questions. I get alot of questions about different things like this and I also want to be able to set people straight when they are misquoting as well. If anyone can speak on some or all of these questions that would great. If you simply do not have an answer that is understandable as well.
thanks,
Scott
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2. Where did the planet Kolob come from in LDS? I have read and watched documentaries on this and what is that all about? God and other gods coming from a planet Kolob where a counsel once met to determine which one of God’s sons would be the redeemer and Jesus was chosen which made Lucifer mad and he talked a 1/3 of the angels to go with him or their skin turned black as a curse. I don’t know that this is the belief across the board, but I have seen it in a few video presentations and also read a couple of articles that described it similiarly. It tells us in John that Jesus was God’s one and only Son, so I am not sure where Lucifer comes in as being Jesus brother. I have always heard this, but could not reconcile it. I was just wondering what this is all about.
Replying to the questions: There was a council held in heaven before the creation of this earth. This council in heaven included a discussion of who would be the Savior. Both Christ and Lucifer offered, upon drastically different terms (Isa. 6:8; Isa. 14:12-14). That is when Lucifer fell and became Satan (Isa. 14:12). 1/3 of the spirits of God followed after Satan (Rev. 12:3-13). We don’t believe these 1/3 had their skin turned black as a curse.
*A REPLY TO THE RESPONSE: OK, NOW ISAIAH 6:8 IS REFERRING TO COMMISSIONING OF ISAIAH. GOD WAS IN COUNSEL WITH GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON (JESUS), AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT…ALL THREE BEINGS AS ONE GOD. ISAIAH HEARD THEM SPEAKING AND SAID “HERE AM I! SEND ME!”. THIS IS NOT A REFERENCE TO LUCIFER OR SATAN AT ALL. ISAIAH 14:12-14 IS DESCRIBING THE FALL OF LUCIFER OR SATAN FROM HEAVEN AND 1/3 OF THE HEAVENLY HOST. THE REASON FOR SATANS FALL WAS THAT HE WANTED TO BE ABOVE GOD AND RULE THE UNIVERSE WITH HIS THRONE ABOVE GOD’S. LUCIFER MENTIONS IN VERSE 14 THAT “I WILL ASCEND HIGH ABOVE THE TOPS OF THE CLOUDS.” REFER TO IS 19:1 & EXODUS 16:10. THERE WAS NO ACCOUNT IN THE BIBLE OF THE QUESTION OF WHO TO SEND TO EARTH BETWEEN JESUS AND LUCIFER…THIS WAS BEING DISCUSSED BETWEEN THE HOLY TRINITY AND FOR ISAIAH’S PURPOSE. IT WAS HIS TIME TO BE A WITNESS TO ISRAEL. THANKS FOR YOUR THOUGHTS THOUGH. SCOTT
Further reply to the question: We are all children of God, and sons of the highest (Ps. 82:6; Rom. 8:17; Heb. 12:9; Acts 17:29). That includes every son and daughter of God, Jesus and Lucifer also. Albeit, Jesus is the Savior and Redeemer of mankind. Lucifer has become Satan, the father of all lies, who attempts to overthrow God’s work and leads men carefully down to hell.
*FURTHER RESPONSE TO THE REPLY: I HAVE SOME TROUBLE WITH CALLING LUCIFER A SON OF GOD. HE WAS A CREATED ANGEL JUST LIKE MICHAEL, SERAPHIM, CHERUBS, AND OTHER ANGELS. HOWEVER, LUCIFER SINNED AS DESCRIBED IN ISAIAH 14:12-14. GOD WOULD NOT ALLOW LUCIFER THE CHANCE TO OVER-THROW HIM. AS I TRULY BELIEVE OUR GOD IS SOVEREIGN OVER ALL THINGS. IF LUCIFER HAD BEEN HIS SON, HE WOULD NOT HAVE REBELLED AND BEEN THROWN OUT OF HEAVEN…MY GOD IS FAR BIGGER THAN THAT. GOD HAD NO DAUGHTERS EITHER THAT I AM AWARE OF…AT LEAST THE BIBLE DOES NOT SPEAK OF IT…THE HOLY BIBLE IS MY AUTHORITY AND NONE OTHER. AGAIN THANKS FOR YOUR VIEW ON THIS…ALTHOUGH I DO NOT AGREE I DO APPRECIATE YOU MAKING YOUR POINT KNOWN.
*PSALM 82 IS REFERRING TO THE UNJUST JUDGES OF THE DAY. THEY WERE TO STAND BEFORE GOD’S JUDGEMENT SEAT FOR INJUSTICE IN THE LAND. VERSE 6-7 THESE JUDGES WHOM GOD PUT IN THEIR PLACES WERE HEARING THE DIVINE VERDICT OF DEATH. THIS IS NOT REFERRING IN ANY WAY TO LUCIFER, THE ACTUAL SON OF GOD OR ANYTHING AS YOU HAVE DESCRIBED ABOVE.
*ROMANS 8:17 TO PUT BACK INTO CONTEXT IS REFERENCE TO HIGHER LIVING IN CHRIST. THIS IS SPEAKING OF THE TRUE BELIEVERS OBLIGATIONS TO LIVE NOT IN OUR SINFUL NATURE ANY FURTHER. BY ACCEPTING CHRIST AS OUR SAVIOR AND LORD WE ARE NOW ADOPTED BY GOD AS HIS SON OR DAUGHTER…THIS MAKES US A STEP SIBLING OF JESUS. WE CAN AT THAT MOMENT OF SALVATION CALL OUT TO GOD AS “ABBA WHICH MEANS FATHER”. THIS IS A TERRIFIC THING FOR US. WE ARE NOW HEIRS TO ALL THAT GOD HAS…NOT SELFISHLY BECAUSE AS CHRIST LIVES WITHIN US NOW, WE WANT WHAT GOD WANTS NOT WHAT WE WANT OR THAT IS SUPPOSE TO BE OUR LIFE. WE FAIL IN THIS AT TIMES. IN REFERENCE TO VERSE 17 IF WE ARE NOW CHILDREN OF GOD BY OUR ACCEPTENCE OF JESUS CHRIST AS LORD OF OUR LIFE, WE ARE CO-HEIRS WITH CHRIST…SO, FROM THAT POINT ON WE WILL ALSO SHARE IN CHRIST SUFFERINGS AS WELL AND ULTIMATELY SHARE IN HIS GLORY IN HEAVEN.
*HEBREW 12:9 IS CONCERNING OUR DISCIPLINED LIVES TO LIVE FOR GOD RIGHTLY. WE ARE AS BELIEVERS IN CHRIST TO SUBMIT OURSELVES TOTALLY TO HIM IN SPIRIT AND LIVE FOR HIM. TO TAKE IT FURTHER IN VERSE 10 GOD DISCIPLINES HIS CHILDREN FOR OUR GOOD SO THAT WE GLORIFY HIM AND SO THAT WE LEARN HOW TO SHARE IN HIS HOLINESS. GOD WANTS A HOLY REMNANT NOT A SIN-STAINED ONE.
*ACTS 17:29 THIS IN PARTICULAR IS PAUL REFERRING TO US AS GOD’S OFF-SPRING BECAUSE GOD IS THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS. I DO NOT SEE IN CONNECTION TO WHAT YOU HAVE REFERENCED ABOVE. THANKS, SCOTT